Ramadan. Shias have a point? Advice/thoughts?

Question

I don't like labels, and I do want one ummah, but Shias seem to have a point about the Sahabas and stuff. Like one user in an answer said, no where in the Quran or Hadith does it say to love the Sahaba, but there are Sahih Hadiths where Prophet Muhammad PBUH says stuff like, Anyone who upsets Fathima upsets me. And I think there are Sahih Hadiths that say Fathima stopped talking to Abu Bakr. So can u give me any advice/help as to why I should beleive some stuff like why Abu Bakr was the first caliph and stuff? Like I said, I want one ummah and don't want to create any fithna, so please be nice.

Answer 1

Ruling on hating the Sahaabah : http://isl*am-qa.com/en/ref/45563



Can it be understood from the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) got angry on behalf of Faatimah that she was infallible? : http://isl*am-qa.com/en/ref/43458



The view of Ahl al-Sunnah towards the Sahaabah and the leadership of Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq : http://isl*am-qa.com/en/ref/13713



Who is better and more knowledgeable – Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, or ‘Ali? : http://isl*am-qa.com/en/ref/34577



Status of the Sahaabah in Islaam : http://www.ah*ya.org/amm/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=155

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Prophet (sallallaahu alaihe wa-sallam) said:



"The best of my nation is my generation then those who follow them and then those who follow them."

[Saheeh Bukharee]



"Do not abuse my Sahaabah, for if any of you were to spend gold equal to (mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal a handful of one of them or even half of that"

[Saheeh Bukharee, Muslim].





"Whoever abuses my Sahaabah, upon them is the curse of Allaah, the angels and all the people"

[Saheeh, At-Tabaranee].



"The sign of faith is love of the Ansar and the sign of hypocrisy is the hatred of Ansar"

[Saheeh Bukharee, Muslim].



"My Sahaabah are like stars, You will be rightly guided by following any one of them"

[Razeen, Jam'ul Fawaa`id]

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Allaah says ( Interpretation of the meaning) :



"Allaah is pleased with the first to lead the way from the Muhaajireen, the Ansar, and those who followed them with sincerity and they are please with Him. He has prepared for them such Jannaat beneath which rivers flow, in which they shall live forever. This is the ultimate success."



[soorah Tawbah:100]

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when Allaah declared paradise for them , who have the right to slander them and call them Kaafir , Mushrik , Munaafiq , Faasiq and dwellers of Hell , Nauzbillaah !.



By Allaah , those who say Sahaabah were Kaafir are themselves Kaafirs !

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Answer 2

yes..we do have a point





there are TONS of evidence that say Abu Bakr and especially Muawyia betrayed Imam Ali and his family



Fatima also got into an arguement with Abu Bakr, and refused to talk to him



What kind of man would get into an argument with the lady of paradise



just think about that...



and Muawiya.... his son is Yazid



shouldn't that say enough



i apluad you ....mashallah.....i wish more people were like you



peace. =)

Answer 3

Salam



read this book "Then I was guided"

http://www.al-islam.org/guided/



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Then_I_was_Guided_(book)

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About Imams being Infallible



Bismillah-hir-Rahman-nir-Rahim



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YUSUFALI: (Iblis) said: "O my Lord! because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong,-



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YUSUFALI: "Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."



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YUSUFALI: (Allah) said: "This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed a way that leads straight to Me.



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YUSUFALI: "For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong and follow thee."



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YUSUFALI: And verily, Hell is the promised abode for them all!

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Now in the conversation that took place between Iblis and Allah (swt), Iblis clearly states that in NOWAY can he reach the sincere servants of Allah (swt).Now who are these sincere and purified servants of Allah (swt)?



It is Allah's wish to remove all blemish from you, O Ahlul-Bayt, and purify you with a perfect purification. (33:33)



'A'isha reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped him under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)

Sahih-e-Muslim - Book 031, Number 5955



If Allah can send Ababeels(birds) that can do no mistakes, then why can't he send Imams that can do no mistakes?

Allah sent Ababeels to throw rocks at elephants, they could easily miss the target but they didn't cause they were they Ababeels sent by Allah just like the Shia Imams are chosen by Allah.



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Hadiths are like diaries but history doesn't change. hadith can be fabricated but no one can fabricate history.



Fadak dispute was not a hadith, It was a history

Umer went to the house of fatima(sa) with the intention of burning the house if they don't give bayah to Abu bakar is a history

Muawiya(l) fighting Ali(as) is a history

Muawiya cursing Ali(as) is a history

Karbala was a history



all these events are narrated by numbers of shia and sunni narrators so that proves that all that really happened.



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@ Shaykh Ramadan- Believe in sahabas is not the fundamental part of islam. And this is a big lie by Nasibis that cursing a sahaba makes you kafir.

So do you say Muawiya(l) was a Kaffir for cursing Ali(AS)?



If cursing a sahabi is kufr than with the same token those sahabas are also kafir who fought or cursed another sahabi ??



Imam Malik said:

"Anyone who abused Rasool Allah (s) should be killed. And anyone who abused Sahaba, he should be taught "Adab"(respect)".

1. Al-Shifa by Qadhi 'Iyadh, vol. 2, page 376, published by Matba Sadiqqi, Baraili, India.

2. Al-Sarim al-Maslool, page 569, with reference to Defence of Abu Huraira, page 26, published in Peshawar, Pakistan



Imam Ibne Taymiyyah (Sheikul-ul-Islam of Salafies) wrote in his book Al-Sarimul Maslool, page 579 (first pulished by Taba Sa'ada Egypt), while giving arguments against Kufr of person who insulted Sahaba:



"And merely abusing some one other than the Prophets does not necessarily make the abuser Kafir; because some of those who were in the time of the Prophet (i.e companions) used to abuse one another and none of them was declared kafir because of this (practice); and (also) because it is not Wajib to have faith particularly in any of the companions; therefore abusing any of them does not detract from the faith in Allah and His books and His messengers and the Last day."

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How can you say that Allah declared paradise for them?



"And Muhammad is no more than a messenger, the messengers have already passed away before him, if then he dies or is killed, will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least, and Allah will reward the grateful." [Holy Qur'an 3:144].

Answer 4

Good Question Simply



log on to

http://www.abubakr.org

hope it help you



@Hum Hakim

You are deaf And Dumb Why you Ignore your own books and reliable sources

The web site which i provide here is not from shia source its all sunni sources



and yea our imams are infallible and better than all prophets expect Prophet Muhammad Do you want source for it ?



havent you heard About Aya (vers) of tathir 33:33



you are just a ignorant nothing else



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can we call this laeen muawiyeh a sahabi



Muawiya refused to accept the Khilafah of Imam Ali (as) and rebelled against him.

•Muawiya used his position in Shaam to influence people against Imam Ali (as).

•He formed renegade groups to attack towns to kill and loot Imam Ali’s followers.

•He fought against Imam Ali (as) in the battle of Siffiin. More than 70,000 Muslims were killed in this battle because of Muawiya.

•Muawiya’s army also killed Ammaar Bin Yaasir in this battle, about whom the Prophet (s) said: “O Ammaar, you will be killed by a renegade group”.

Muawiyeh Killed Ammar The great Sahabi

Reference:

Sahih Muslim, English version, v4, chapter MCCV, Tradition #6968



Umm Salama narrated that Allah's messenger pbuh said: "A band of rebels would kill Ammar."



Reference:

Sahih Muslim, English version, v4, chapter MCCV, Tradition #6970



Reference:

(Footnote of Sahih Muslim, English version, v4, p1508).

"In the Battle of Sifin, when the head of Ammar Yasir was cut off and taken to Muawiyah,

two people were arguing over it, each one claimed that he had killed Ammar."



Reference:

Musnad Ahmad (Pub. in Dar al-Maarif, Egypt 1952), Tradition #6538, #6929

- Tabaqat, by Ibn Sa'd, v3, p253



And he was killed by the Army of Muawiyeh



Lanat To Muawiyeh His son And his father



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@Umm Hakim

No im Not Editing My Answer

You can check sahih Al Bukhari



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Read About His Laeen ibn Laeen Person



The callous killing of the Sahaba including Hujr bin Adi (ra) and of other innocent Shias



References in relation to the killing of Hujr bin Adi al-Adbar can be located in the following Sunni texts:



al Bidaya wa al Nihaya, Volume 8 page 53 Dhikr 51 Hijri



Tarikh Kamil, Volume 3 page 249 Dhikr 51 Hijri



Tarikh ibn Asakir, Volume 12 page 227 Dhikr Hujr ibn Adi



Tarikh ibn Khaldun, Volume 3 page 13 Dhikr 51 Hijri



al Isaba, Volume 1 page 313 Dhikr Hujr ibn Adi



Asad'ul Ghaba, Volume 1 page 244 Dhikr Hujr ibn Adi



Shadharat ul Dhahab, Volume 1 page 57 Dhikr 51 Hijri



Tabaqat al Kubra, Volume 6 page 217 Dhikr Hujr ibn Adi



Mustadrak al Hakim, Volume 3 page 468-470 Dhikr Hujr ibn Adi



Akhbar al Tawaal, page 186 Dhikr Hujr ibn Adi



Tarikh Abu'l Fida, page 166 Dhikr 51 Hijri



Muruj al Dhahab, Volume 3 page 12 Dhikr 53 Hijri



Tarikh Yaqubi, Volume 2 page 219





We read in Al Isaba:



After the battle of Qudsiya Hujr ibn Adi participated in Jamal and Sifeen, alongside Ali and was amongst his Shi'a. He was killed upon the orders of Mu'awiya in a village called Mriaj Adra near Damascus. At the time of his execution he requested: 'Do not remove these chains after I am killed, nor clean the blood. We will meet again with Mu'awiya and I shall petition my case against him'.



We read in Al Bidaya:





أن معاوية جعل يفرغر بالموت وهو يقول إن يومى بك يا حجر بن عدى لطويل قالها ثلاثا



When the time of death approached Mu'awiya, he said to himself thrice: 'Hujr bin Adi! The day of answering for your murder is very lengthy'



We read in Tarikh ibn Asakir:



"Ayesha said: 'Mu'awiya you killed Hujr and his associates, By Allah! The Prophet told me 'In the ditch of Adra seven men will be killed, due to this all the skies and Allah will be upset".



We read in Asad'ul Ghaba:





فأنزل هو وأصحابه عذراء وهي قرية عند دمشق فأمر معاوية بقتلهم



"Hujr and his associates were arrested and taken to a ditch in Adra which was near Damascus. Mu'awiya ordered that Hujr and his associates be executed in this ditch"

Answer 5

Let Us Understand Each Other (Shia – Sunni Dialogue)

http://oneummah.net/understand/



PESHAWAR NIGHTS (Shia Islam in Sunni Traditions)

http://www.al-islam.org/peshawar/



At least, visit the index of both books. Upper one is really concise book.

Answer 6

THE LINK IN THE ABOVE ANSWER



OPEN IT....IT IS VERY INSIGHTFUL

Answer 7

Salam,



i think the user who said we're not told to love the sahabas in the holy Quran was me........



but Allah SWT in the holy Quran tells us to love the family of prophet Mohammad (PBUH).......



42:23:

"That is of which Allah gives the good news to His servants, (to) those who believe and do good deeds. Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives; and whoever earns good, We give him more of good therein; surely Allah is Forgiving, Grateful."







and yes, Fatima (as) did get angry with the prophet and she did stop talking to him for the rest of her holy life.....

this is agreed by both Shia and sunni, and no one can ever deny this fact......



“Fatima , the daughter of Allah’s Apostle got angry and stopped talking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died”

Reported by Aisha, Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Hadith 325





and yes, Mohammad (PBUH) said.....



"Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry."



BuKHARA Volume 5, Book 57, Number 61, Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama.







and there are so many hadith swhich says Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said he doesn't know what abu bakr will do after him.......



and also in the holy Quran Allah SWT says:



9:101

Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.



we Shias know that prophet Mohammad (PBUH) had chosen Ali (as).....

.......and he even wanted to write this down, when omar didn't let the prophet write this fact.......





sunnis claim no one was chosen, so people voted for abu bakr.......

......but the thing is, while Imam Ali (as) was busy with the funeral of the prophet Mohammad (PBUH), these people were actually talking over power........

.......it only shows how much peopel care.......





Peace.

Answer 8

May I ask one question before digesting the other false stories! Q= "Where is the Ahle-bait of Ali(ra)? Q= "What is the reason of denying the Ahle-bait of Ali(ra)? QOUTE. Frances Hodgson Burnett (1849-1924) says: "I am writing in the garden. To write as one should of a garden one must write not outside it or merely somewhere near it, but in the garden". UNQUOTE. Sorry! No Sunni can accept the mis-interpretation of Ahle-Bait! You Shia are playing with the words and misguiding people about "Ahle-Bait" wherein Ali(ra) and only 2 sons have been wrongly included against the Arab customs and Arabic literature! During the period of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) no Arab had any doubt about the members / numer of family of the prophet. The word "Ahle-bait" refers to the persons living in the house of prophet as family which includes his wives, childern (died lateron) and his adopted son namely Usama bin Zaid. Ali and Fatima, after marriage, were living separately! How dare you include Ali(ra) and 2 sons (whereas you should have included other sons of Ali) in the Ahle-bait of prophet?? Do you Shia have any proof, within the Arab cultures, to include son-inlaw in Ahle-bait of Father-in-law??? Prove it!

Answer 9

did you read the Holy Quran, beside, you dont have to go all around to ask such Q.



just be yourself.



Allah says in the Holy Quran:



﴿وَالسَّـبِقُونَ الاٌّوَّلُونَ مِنَ الْمُهَـجِرِينَ وَالأَنْصَـرِ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُم بِإِحْسَانٍ رَّضِىَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُواْ عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّـتٍ تَجْرِي تَحْتَهَا الأَنْهَـرُ خَـلِدِينَ فِيهَآ أَبَداً ذَلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ ﴾



(100. And the foremost to embrace Islam of the Muhajirin and the Ansar and also those who followed them exactly (in faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success.)





it is a clear verse, Allah is pleased with them.



and



﴿مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّآءُ عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَآءُ بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعاً سُجَّداً يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلاً مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَاناً سِيمَـهُمْ فِى وُجُوهِهِمْ مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ

(29. Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. And those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves. You see them bowing falling down prostrate, seeking reward from Allah and acceptance.



During a class of Imaam Maalik, it was mentioned that the Raafidite Shi`ites curse the Sahaabah. In reply, he quoted the Quranic verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them.



" He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahaabah are mentioned is one about whom the verse speaks." So, anyone who is enraged by the mention of the Sahaabah is a dsibeliever, because the verse says, "…the disbelievers may become enraged with them (Sahaabah)."





this is about Abu Bake may Allah be pleased with him

﴿إِلاَّ تَنصُرُوهُ فَقَدْ نَصَرَهُ اللَّهُ إِذْ أَخْرَجَهُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ ثَانِيَ اثْنَيْنِ إِذْ هُمَا فِى الْغَارِ إِذْ يَقُولُ لِصَاحِبِهِ لاَ تَحْزَنْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ مَعَنَا

"If ye help not (Muhammad ), (it is no matter): for Allah did indeed help him, when the Unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion (Abu Bakr): they two were in the Cave, and he said to his companion, Have no fear for Allah is with us." (9:40)



this verse about Aish may Allah be pleased with her



"When you were propagating it (the slander) with your tongues, and uttering with your mouths that whereof you had no knowledge, you counted it a little thing, while with Allah it was very great." (An-Nur 24:15)



Imam Malik stated that anyone who slanders her should be killed right away because Allah forbids us (in the Qur'an) from it forever and because anyone who curses the Prophet (p) or any member of this family should be killed too. This fatwa was also issued by his teacher Imam Ja'far al-Saadiq. Allah says:



﴿وَلَوْلا إِذْ سَمِعْتُمُوهُ قُلْتُمْ مَّا يَكُونُ لَنَآ أَن نَّتَكَلَّمَ بِهَـذَا سُبْحَـنَكَ هَـذَا بُهْتَـنٌ عَظِيمٌ - يَعِظُكُمُ اللَّهُ أَن تَعُودُواْ لِمِثْلِهِ أَبَداً إِن كُنتُمْ مُّؤْمِنِينَ - وَيُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الاٌّيَـتِ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ ﴾



(16. And why did you not, when you heard it, say: "It is not right for us to speak of this. Glory be to You (O Allah)! This is a great lie.'') (17. Allah forbids you from it and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers.) (18. And Allah makes the Ayat plain to you, and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.)

Answer 10

hadeeths are like diaries and historical thoughts and stories..

They are hearsay evidence that so and so said about the prophet and his companions.. We all know that humans are not perfect and we sometimes embelish stories to make them more believable .

Havent you as a kid done this when whispering stories to friends..

Hadeeths are not solid in stone. they are not Gods words..

The prophet himself said.. There will be many (MANY) hadeeths people attribute to me, but I have not said.... Use your logic, your heart and mind to compare these words with Islam and the Quran, if it doesnt fit, or seems illogical then most probably it is..



having read this by the prophet.. I take any hadeeth with a grain of salt.. I read it, think about it and see how it fits.. If there is a contrasting hadeeth that might put one group up on another and cause division.. then most likely its not true....

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think about this...

Answer 11

I agree with Umm Hakim

Answer 12

The prophet loved his companions, and loving them is a way of honoring our beloved prophet. Should we curse the ones which the prophet loved? His best friends? A person that does such is severely misguided. Abu Bakr (ra) was the first caliph, and rightly so. And whatever happened in the past already happened, there is no going back. Please do not become a Shia, for your sake. The website which Ali gave you just slanders Abu Bakr, that is what Shiaism is, you want to be with a bunch of people that call Mu'awiyah disgusting names? The prophet married Muawiyah's sister, and Abu Sufyan was a great man. We do not curse great people. Are you also forgetting their Imam's which they believe are better than the Prophets and are infallible. Shiaism is for the blind, deaf, and dumb. Do not become one of them or even sympathizes with them, because that will lead you astray.



@Ali- My name is Umm Hakim, not Hum Hakim. I hope you don't edit your answer so everybody can read what you wrote. I am disgusted with you. And you say I'm the ignorant one. Allahu Akbar.

Answer 13

What Sister (Umm Hakim) Said is right!!



Abu bakr (ra) is one of the Ushra-e-Mubashira. Jannah Is already promised to Uashar-e-Mubaashira!!



No Muslim would believe these lies about Sahaba(ra), unless someone is Shi'a!!



By The Way Shi'ism Is not Islam & Islam is not Shi'ism!!



Shia have their own history & their own religion!!



they believe very bad things on ummul Mumnin Aisha(ra) the wife of the prophet ..what do you except more from them?



their religion created as anti-Islam as Ibin saba (the founder of shiaism) wanted to destroy Islam from Inside.. the only religion i can recall which have in it's pillars a part called tabrra which mean hate and cursing wives and friends of the prophet of Islam!



In their salat they have dua they cruse in it Aisha(ra) Hafsa(Ra) Omar(Ra) Abu Baker(ra) Uthman(ra)!

in their prayers!!!! cursing and insulting while prayers!

ironically they say they love ahlulbayt..yet they insult and curse wives of the prophet(HIS AHLULBAYT)!



They rejected to follow the prophetand followed 12 Imams(infallible more superior than angels and proghets as they believe) instead of him!



i read in Quran to follow the prophet...not 12 Imams!



Knowledge is the key.. i was so ignorant about shiaism and i thought it's Islam but after i read about it..i knew that it's Anti-Islam!



they waste much of their times to insult and curse sahaba than to read Quran!



I don't hate shias..and I always pray for them May Allah guide them to Islam!!



Now it is your choice to read Islam by yourself or listen to Shi'as!!