Question:
If the Quran is true, what happened on the cross to convince all the disciples of Jesus that it was Jesus that was the one that was killed?
anonymous
2017-01-02 12:37:36 UTC
There is not one genuine record anywhere that shows that any of the disciples of Jesus believed anything other than it was Jesus who was killed and raised to life again.

All the records of the first century and second century church confirm that Christians of the time fully believed that Jesus died and was raised to life again.

And yet the Quran states that Jesus did not die on the cross but rather that Allah made it look like Jesus had died in order to rescue Jesus from those who wanted to kill him. - Surah 4.157-159


So if the Quran is true, what happened on the cross to convince all the disciples of Jesus that it was Jesus that was the one that was killed on the cross?



(Please don’t quote the so called “Gospel of Barnabas” as it is not an authentic and written around 15th century.)
33 answers:
?
2017-01-02 15:49:40 UTC
Of course Muhammad had to lie in the Quran to rule to make himself equal to Jesus and Hell is being filled with those that believe him....sad is it not...
?
2017-01-04 13:52:42 UTC
Well, I am not a Muslim or a Christian, and I only recently learned about the Islamic belief that a substitute died in Jesus' place.



However, I have wondered for a long time if this is what happened:



Matthew makes the whole crucifixion sound more like a pagan sacrificial kingship rite than a Roman criminal execution, and there are many traditions from around the world (legends and history) in which someone is substituted for the king on the day of sacrifice: King for a day. (for a random example: Herne the hunter was killed by a spear intended for the king, and then his life was spared by dressing him in the horns and hide of a stag - the king's substitute pretends to become a stag, and then human sacrifice is replaced by a stag hunt). Similar traditions were found amongst the Incas and Aztecs . Matthew also adds the interesting detail that Barabbas ("son of the father") was also named Jesus, and that he was a rebel who had lead a religious uprising.



So the story Matthew is telling has Pilate preparing to crucify two men named Jesus, and he asks the crowd, "shall I release Jesus son of the father, the rebel who led the religious uprising or shall I release Jesus who is called the Messiah"



If I was in the crowd, looking at these two guys up on the stage a great distance away, I would be confused. Most of the people who could actually recognise Jesus Christ had fled by this point.



Then one of the Jesus's is dressed up in a purple robe and crown of thorns, he is led away to be scourged, and he is also taken into a room to be questioned by Pilate. Then later the robe and crown of thorns are stripped off him. All you need is someone else wearing a second purple robe and crown of thorns and a switch could be done very easily.



One of the Jesus's gets crucified and one turns up alive and well 3 days later (apart from a few scars which many stigmatics have since proved are easy to fake).



On the other hand, Matthew's gospel is much more colourful than Mark's earlier gospel which was his mainsource. Mark may have actually been there (possibly the young man in the linen garment who ran away naked when Jesus was arrested). There are many reasons not to trust Matthew's account. If the real Pilate had learned that he was about to crucify an innocent man, he would probably have laughed and done it anyway. The bible seems to be shifting the blame off the Romans and on to the Jews



But Matthew's story seems to me to be describing a sacrificial kingship ritual in which the "king" is substituted for someone else at the last minute. Whether his story is true is another matter
Funnelweb
2017-01-03 23:02:52 UTC
Muslims here do seem to have an answer of a sort, based on their Quran 4:157. They would have us believe that another person was crucified instead of Jesus but made to appear like Jesus. Therefore they would say that God fooled Jesus' closest disciples and that this deception lasted 500 years til Muhammad was given the Quran.



This begs the question which is the deception, the Gospels or the Quran? For if God deceives people, then who can tell which is the truth and which is the lie?
anonymous
2017-01-02 20:47:28 UTC
No no no. Basically there was someone on that cross but it was only someone made to look like Jesus. It was distract them all so that Jesus could escape them. Jesus never died, and Jesus IS NOT DEAD. JESUS IS STILL ALIVE. In the quraan (which btw unlike the bible and torah which everyone changed but noone can change the quraan because Allah said that the quraan is the last book he will ever send after the bible and torah, and that NOONE can change the quraan so the quraan is the true book) it says that Jesus is on God's right hand side and that he is stillalive. We also believe that just before judgemnt day Jesus will come back to Earth and kill the Antichrist/Dajjal.
tro
2017-01-02 23:24:02 UTC
what makes you believe the Quran is true

there are so many instances in the Bible that are supported by the history of the world, historians of the time recorded events and have remained authorities to today

when the vail was rent when Jesus died, there was recorded a great earthquake at the same time, making the event something recorded in history, not just the Bible

historians have found chariots and a pathway thru the Red Sea, further proving that Biblical events occurred
anonymous
2017-01-03 22:44:40 UTC
do you believe that peter, the beloved and the closest of all disciples of jesus would have spoken 'lies' regardless of whatever matter?



yet it is written in the bible that peter lied, when he was shown jesus on the cross ,three times, that it wasn't jesus on the cross...



let me explain to you... peter never lied 'cause it was clear to peter that it wasn't jesus... but it was those that made the bible, who spin the truth, in order to have a huge following behind them... the whole idea behind 'christianity' was from paul, with personal interest...



the fact that peter denied that it was jesus on the cross, that too, thrice', is proof that the quran is true...



edit:

@anna



ok, ok, agreed john was the only one at the site of the crucifixion 'cause the rest fled from the scene... but didn't peter deny that the man the romans arrested to crucify was jesus, on 3 different occasions... in fact he swore upon himself should he lie:



"peter swore, “a curse on me if i’m lying—i don’t know this man you’re talking about!” [mark14 :71, nlt]



peter wasn't the liar, but the authors of the bible were...
nurseforglass
2017-01-04 03:15:27 UTC
I don't believe either the Quran or Bible but I do believe in Romans. They kept records of their activities and were good historians. If there was a guy who walked on water or raised the dead, I'm sure it would have been headline news. There would be a record of these events somewhere.
?
2017-01-02 12:45:14 UTC
What gets me is if Allah is all knowing, why did Allah then have to deceive people... It is like - Oops, I made a mistake, I better deceive people to think Jesus died... When an all powerful god could have averted deception in the first place - ONCE a deceiver - always a deceiver or liar... Why do muslims follow a confirmed liar? Ignorance? Stupidity?
?
2017-01-03 05:20:18 UTC
quran says ch 4 v 157-159



And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.





Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise





And there is none from the People of the Scripture but that he will surely believe in Jesus before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be against them a witness
anonymous
2017-01-02 12:46:27 UTC
Isn’t obvious,



Muhammad wanted to be called a prophet like the prophets of old and wanted to be of the same lineage as Jesus so he made up all these stories. But Jesus Christ was killed and was raised from the dead and you cannot outdo that, so Muhammad had to say that it never happened.
anonymous
2017-01-03 00:57:01 UTC
Do you believe that Peter, the beloved and the closest of all disciples of Jesus would have spoken 'lies' regardless of whatever matter?



Yet it is written in the Bible that Peter lied, when he was shown Jesus on the cross ,three times, that it wasn't Jesus on the cross.



Let me explain to you. Peter never lied because it was clear to Peter that it wasn't Jesus. But it was those that made the Bible, who spin the truth, in order to have a huge following behind them. The whole idea behind 'Christianity' was from Paul, with personal interest.



The fact that Peter denied that it was Jesus on the cross, that too, thrice', is proof that the Quran is true.



Edit:

@anna



OK, OK, agreed John was the only one at the site of the crucifixion because the rest fled from the scene. But didn't Peter deny that the man the Romans arrested to crucify was Jesus, on 3 different occasions. In fact he swore upon himself a curse should he lie:



"Peter swore, “A curse on me if I’m lying—I don’t know this man you’re talking about!” [Mark14 :71, NLT]



Imagine Peter sworing upon himself a curse if he was lying!!



Peter wasn't the liar, but the authors of the Bible were.



The Quran was true in relating what actually happened:



" That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

— Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158
Devon
2017-01-03 02:35:30 UTC
The Quran was written 600 years after Christ was crucified. One story has nothing to do with the other.

Having said that, an ex-Jesuit priest, Alberto Rivera, claimed that Islam was a creation of the Catholic Church, and used to manipulate the Arabs into taking Jerusalem from the Jews. They were supposed to turn it over to Rome, but decided to be a-wholes and keep it instead. Thus began thousands of years of religious warfare.
anonymous
2017-01-02 23:54:08 UTC
Some king back towards the end of futile medieval times destroyed the original bibical texts for propagandism and to be respected as well as worshipped through belief and profits. Although this is true, many people have financially throughout history profited off of this example and made their countries flourish through consumer spendings. What he did was wrong, but it has had beneficial outcomes for us all in society through commercial advertisement.



The original biblical texts had details of Alantien Ancient history and Christ was given as a name to heritic who like the Mummies Maji, used the power of his heart and embraced their beliefs in their powers to do righteous things to save people throughout the ages. Now a days, anyone who is like this would immediately be deemed the Antichrist ironically for being a Christ. Strange. No one could technically do this unless they care about everyone as a whole and not just one race or group of religious or ideological ideas for that matter
Anthony
2017-01-04 12:30:04 UTC
No. Quran is not fully true if it true sure in all Islam's mosque should have Kaaba (which now Kaaba available in Mecca only). Were Kaaba means House of God that means Allah's Spirit live on Kaaba. So common sentence is Allah have Many Power and Pour Many His Spirit on Kaaba or us also and Allah love His Child i.e. we all and Allah's doesn't have only One Spirits to give as an Kaaba. That means if 10 Islam's mosque have on each Islam's mosque Allah can Pour His Spirit for giving as an Kaaba.



So Muhammad did mistake regarding David the King and King Soloman have concubines, were Muhammad asked to Allah and Allah Replied to him "I (Allah) have allowed that relationship". And God and Satan goes war between Them so Satan test Muhammad and came as an allah then for you (Muhammad ) also allowed this kind of relation with other. So Muhammad kept divorce women as an concubine (which mention on the Wikipedia)



Once God said to us this kind of thing then we need to fasting and asked to Allah whether it You said or Satan. So Muhammad kept concubines its an adultery and deadly sin. And Satan spoken to Muhammad as came on allah till Muhammad death. Scientist proved that more than 500 crores year are Earth age has. Muhammad came as on last 2000 years before so Satan said to him (Muhammad) all people come on this Mecca and go. And anywhere place not to kept Kaaba on the Islam's mosque



So Quran is not fully true at all...
?
2017-01-02 18:28:28 UTC
We have to beleive the bible is true and accurate because it was written by good honest followers of the lord. The fact that we weren't there and were dependant on a book thats possibly filled with chinese whispers and threats to make children obey isnt part of the eqaution, its the fact that Jesus was a good person and he got messed up, so what does that teach you? You must be a good person?
anonymous
2017-01-03 02:49:11 UTC
So the quran was written 500 years after the bible. Contains majority of the content of the bible with a ton more sexism and masochism. Most the additional plageurism was added by self proclaimed prophet mohammad the pedophile. All this said and we are to expect the quran is more accurate than the bible? Nice trolling.
Dr. D
2017-01-03 00:51:31 UTC
According to Islamic thought, Jesus was taken up to heaven and another person was made to appear to be Jesus. The poor imposter was crucified by the Romans. Muslims also believe that there was no such thing as the resurrection. That was just promoted up by some disciples for their own benefit.



This story was never imagined before Muhammad. He made the whole thing up because he didn't want to believe in the divinity of Jesus.
aslam09221
2017-01-03 09:21:31 UTC
Jesus did not die on the Cross! His death on the Cross is mere propaganda of Paulean sect / Church which dominated the Christian world in the beginning and imposed some selected Books of Gospels with the political influence /support of Emperor Constantine (325 CE). Bible accounts are full of confusions and contradictions in all the four Gospels – no two events are identical since writers are anonymous story-tellers who collected unqualified narrations and public “Hear-say” of that time and tried to add public sympathy by increasing sour of pain hence they collected dirt with jewels!



Moreover authenticity is doubtful because “all” disciples were at Large since after the Trial of Jesus by Roman governor, Pontius Pilate / Pharisees and none of them was an eye-witness of crucifixion story!

Further it should be noted that other Apostles and their Gospels like Gospel of Barnabas & Gospel of Mary Magdalene etc. have been forcefully disapproved and concealed by Paulean Church!

There are many stories wherein Jesus is seen and talked by people of Jerusalem in Judea some say he migrated to Khorasan or Kashmir … many stories but the same have been disapproved by the church.



Quran is the Last Testament! It has to remove Man-made articles in Faith (Monotheism) including confusions and contradictions spread in humanity, in the name of God (YHWH, Elohim, Ellihi, and Allah) through Holy Scriptures. God knows the best! May Allah guide us all… Amin.
Mazen
2017-01-02 14:59:21 UTC
you don't need a proof from the Quran , because it's there in the bible .



Mathew …12:39 Jesus replied, “A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.



Jesus is saying that as Jonah was inside the belly of the great fish alive , and left it after three days , Jesus will also be inside earth alive for three days and leave it afterwards alive. So basically he's saying that I won't die on the cross ,and be put in the sepulcher and leaving it after three days alive.
anonymous
2017-01-02 16:57:40 UTC
well hows this hows about you get yourself a Bible and read it and you we find the answwes to your question.



Guess you never heard that the entire time from beginning to end Jesus's mother Mary "sond familiar" and others followed Jesus through the last hours of His and then when they lowered Him off that cross they where all there too. They where also there when they layed His body to rest in the tomb. And a select number of them saw Him after He rose from the dead and I forgot which disciple it was that He came too but He didn't believe it was really Jesus so he asked Jesus to show him the nail holes that went through His hands and Jesus showed him. I do believe that after Jesus rose rose Jesus was later seen in other places.

Believe what you want is is your God given right God did not create us to be puppets or force us to believe in Him we have a choice. It is not any of our place to judge another persons heart in what they do or don't believe God will be the only one that will know what is or isn't in your heart not you me or anyone.
anonymous
2017-01-05 15:14:28 UTC
you're confused...



even the bible does not say "jesus" died on the cross... it was only the assertion of paul the apostle that he did...



jesus had two brothers and neither called him "divine" and numerous of the early believers in jesus were executed as heretics for not believing jesus "died"...



according to paul if jesus didn't "die" on the cross then christianity is bunkum...
?
2017-01-02 17:52:15 UTC
Christians rejected some of Gospels and burned them in the fourth century ... they accept what they want and reject what they want . as they rejected old testament.. did Luke see Jesus ? i guess not , a lot of them considered to be narrators only . and we will notice that if we looked at the style and the pattern of theses texts.. should we follow so many different gospels with clearly made up stories or should we follow a clear and direct one ? and obviously its from God if we read the Quran we will notice that clearly .
OohLaLaMme
2017-01-03 00:36:42 UTC
There is a big problem for muslims since they deny the Resurrection of Christ:



Without the Resurrection of Jesus, there is no life after death in heaven for anyone to go to. Jesus was the first to reveal life after death in heaven with God is possible.



So if someone else was crucified in plavce of Jesus, heaven is still unavailable for any humans to go to.
Who
2017-01-03 01:04:54 UTC
such a stupid question



If you believe the quran is true then you aint a christian and dont give a f//k what the bible claims



if you are a christian then you dont give a f/// what the quran says



If you are an atheist you dont give a f//k what the quran or the bible say



so who exactly are you expecting to answer the question, and HOW?
anonymous
2017-01-02 18:15:38 UTC
According to Islamic beliefs, one of the people who was searching for Prophet Jesus, a guy named Judas or something, found Prophet Jesus. He called his buddies over. But before he could secure Prophet Jesus, Allah raised him up to the heavens, and made Judas's face look like Prophet Jesus's. Judas's buddies wouldn't believe he was actually Judas and not Prophet Jesus for obvious reasons, so they took Judas and crucified him.
Big Bill
2017-01-02 16:17:37 UTC
There is no one genuine record that shows that the supposed person of Yeshua bin Miriam ever existed, was tried in a Roman court under Pilate or was crucified by the Romans for treason against the state and insurrection....



Other than contrived "gospels" written between 100 to 300 years after the supposed events took place, there are no other records.



Make certain, Christian, that your own house is clean and in order prior to attempting to defame the house of another.
?
2017-01-02 12:43:33 UTC
Peter in his book stated that it was not Jesus on the cross. Peter moreover witnessed that the man on the cross is a substitute.
Dick
2017-01-03 04:26:10 UTC
Jesus was sodomized on that cross he begged for more
anonymous
2017-01-02 13:53:48 UTC
NO man or script has the right to speak for ' God " .
Jebus 4
2017-01-02 13:20:15 UTC
you don't get called the greatest deceiver for nothing
?
2017-01-02 13:14:30 UTC
Salam.Faith or imaan to convince it
anonymous
2017-01-02 12:40:07 UTC
allah deceived them ALL .... well, allegedly. Allah was an @ss
anonymous
2017-01-05 16:50:30 UTC
"Say: we believe in God and in what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il: Isaac, Jacob and The Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus and the Prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another, among them, and to God do we bow our will (in Islam)."

(Qur'an, Al-Imran 3:84)





By Dr Sahib Mustaqim Bleher



History is shaped by people, and inevitably some leave more of a mark than others. Amongst those standing out, the central figures of major world religions have had an impact far beyond their own followers. The three Abrahamic faiths, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, continue to influence world events millennia after Moses, Jesus and Muhammad walked upon the earth. Throughout their history, they have often been in competition and conflict, even at war. Their adherents often do not realise, therefore, that their key message was essentially the same.



This article is intended to briefly present their lives and works and show how they complement, rather than contradict, each other. Although this account of their history is supported by verses from the Qur'an and quotations from the Bible, it is not aimed at the believer in any specific religion. Rather, its purpose is to provide a better insight into the monotheistic world-view these three men subscribed to and which has not lost any of its relevance in the world of today. The impact of those prophets was both religious and political. They called for belief and moral conduct, and by doing so often conflicted with the established order based on corrupt practices and oppression. As the political realities differed from one period of time to another, so did the course of events in which the prophets and their followers confronted the ruling elites of their time in an attempt to reform society. Yet the underlying basis of their message, the motivating factors, and the high principles they espoused, were essentially shared by all of them. Moses (peace be upon him) Moses (Musa) lived at the time of a mighty tyrant ruler, the pharaoh, and rose from a member of the oppressed classes to a formidable antagonist, ultimately bringing down the whole edifice of arrogant power. He was ideally placed to play this role by having been brought up in the household of the pharaoh himself .

"And the family of Pharaoh took him up, that he might become for them an enemy and a sorrow." (Al-Qur’an 28:8) Just as a prophet’s work continues to leave an impact long after his departure from this world, his arrival is usually preceded by a period of high anticipation. Moses was no different in this respect: Tales of a saviour of the oppressed Israelites were making the rounds in Egypt and grew so strong that the ruling class felt the need to take precautionary measures. To prevent the birth of this champion of the people they had enslaved, the pharaoh ordered that every newborn male child would be put to death during the year his arrival was foretold, leaving only the female babies alive.

"Pharaoh exalted himself in the earth and made his people castes. A tribe among them he oppressed, killing their sons and sparing their women. He was one of those who work corruption." (Al-Qur’an 28:4)

Fearing for the life of her son, Moses’ mother, Miryam put him into a basket and let him drift on the river to be found by a member of pharaoh’s family, as intended by Divine decree.

"And We inspired the mother of Moses, saying: Suckle him and, when you fear for him, then throw him into the river and fear not nor grieve. We shall bring him back to you and shall make him (one) of Our messengers." (Al-Qur’an 28:7) Not only was Moses reared and nurtured in the household of his future enemy, but to console his mother, she was even employed as a wet nurse when nobody else suitable could be found.

"And We had before forbidden foster-mothers to him, so she said: Shall I show you a household who will rear him for you and take care of him? So We restored him to his mother that she might be comforted and not grieve, and that she might know that the promise of Allah is true. But most of them know not." (Al-Qur’an 28: 12-13)



Moses is usually seen as the liberator as well as the law-giver for the Israelites. However, like all lives, his life is complex and not done justice by over-simplifying. There are numerous lessons and sources of inspiration in his teaching and actions, starting from his early days before he was even called to the prophethood, until his final days when the Promised Land was barred to him and his people for their persistent disobedience.

"And (remember) when Moses said to his people: O my people! Remember Allah's favour to you, how He placed among you prophets, and He made you kings, and gave you that (which) He gave not to any (other) of (His) creatures. O my people! Go into the holy land which Allah has ordained for you. Turn not in flight, for surely you turn back as losers. They said: O Moses! A giant people (dwell) in it and we go not in till they go out from there. When they go out from there, then we will enter (not till then). Then spoke two of those who feared (their Lord, men) to whom Allah had been gracious: Enter in upon them by the gate, for if you enter by it, you will be victorious. So put your trust (in Allah) if you are indeed believers. They said: O Moses! We will never enter (the land) while they are in it. So go you and your Lord and fight! We will sit here. He said: My Lord! I have control of none but myself and my brother, so distinguish between us and the wrong-doing folk. (Their Lord) said: For this the land will surely be forbidden them for forty years that they will wander in the earth, bewildered. So grieve not over the wrongdoing people." (Al-Qur’an 5:20-26) Naturally, a brief treatise on the life of a great person like him must be limited to only some aspects chosen as relevant either for providing a better overview or some more interesting details whose importance is not merely historic but retains validity up to our own time. Moses grew up as the privileged young man destined to be a future ruler. Yet, he did identify with his people, either consciously through an understanding of his origins, or unwittingly through a more general sense of justice. When witnessing a fight between an Israelite and an Egyptian, he takes sides and helps the Israelite. The blow he gives the Egyptian was so powerful that it killed him, bringing immediate trouble to a remorseful Moses who did not expect his interference in the rights and wrongs of a dispute to have such lasting consequences.

"And he entered the city at a time of carelessness of its people, and he found in it two men fighting, one of his own caste, and the other of his enemies; and he who was of his caste asked him for help against him who was of his enemies. So Moses struck him with his fist and killed him. He said: This is of the devil's doing. He is an enemy, a mere misleader. He said: My Lord! I have wronged my soul, so forgive me. Then He forgave him. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful." (Al-Qur’an 28: 15-16) It must have been a time of general turmoil in Egyptian society, for the very next day he encounters the man he saved involved in another quarrel and once again asking for his help. Moses hesitates and then, helped by the urging of third parties, decides to leave the city altogether, realising that he would otherwise be tracked down and asked to account for what he had done.


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