Question:
I've asked this before, but obviously people forget...?
anonymous
2009-07-16 08:37:02 UTC
If morality is ABSOLUTE in Islam, then what is sexually perverted and wrong today was sexually perverted and wrong 1400 years ago, right?

Leading aggressive military campaigns to conquer land and people as well as commanding raids against trade caravans would be considered wrong and evil. America is denounced for aggressively attacking Afghanistan and Iraq despite their claims of national security.

So, even if Muhammad was claiming "Islamic national security," what he did to the Jews, Christians, and pagans of Arabia would be wrong.

And if having more than 4 wives is wrong, and having concubines is wrong, and having slaves with whom you have sex is wrong...then it was wrong 1400 years ago too.

And if having sex with a 9 year old girl who plays with dolls is wrong today, then it was wrong 1400 years ago.

Or is morality really relative in Islam?
Twelve answers:
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2009-07-19 06:37:12 UTC
Ask that to your own Gods dear:



"The Holy Ghost shall COME UPON thee (the question is,

how? Sexy...hehehe), and the power of the most High shall OVERSHADOW

thee (again, how? Hehehe).



(Luke 1:35)



Whereas in the case of Isaac, his conception took place in the womb

of Sarah by the direct intervention of God himself, as recorded in His

(?) Holy Book:



"And the Lord VISITED Sarah, as he had PROMISED; and

FULFILLED what he had SPOKEN. And Sarah

CONCEIVED . . ."



(Genesis 21:1-2)
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2009-07-16 08:47:09 UTC
"Leading aggressive military campaigns to conquer land and people as well as commanding raids against trade caravans would be considered wrong and evil."



"The purpose of jihad in Islam is not to kill non-Muslims, rather the purpose is to establish the religion of Allaah on earth, to establish the rule of His sharee’ah, and to bring people forth from the worship of other people to the worship of the Lord of all people, from the injustice of other religions to the justice of Islam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):



“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone”



[al-Anfaal 8:39]



Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Sa’di said in his commentary on this verse:



Here Allaah states the purpose behind fighting for His sake, which is not to shed the blood of the kaafirs and take their wealth; rather the purpose is so that all religion (worship) will be for Allaah alone, and the religion of Allaah will prevail over all other religions, and everything that goes against that, whether it is shirk or anything else – which is what is meant by fitnah – will be repelled. If this purpose is achieved, there will be no killing or fighting."



And remember "There is no compulsion in religion" 2:256 So those conquered are not forced to become Muslim.. but the rule of Allah would be over them. You might find it immoral but as Muslims we don't find it immoral/unjust/etc etc.



"And if having more than 4 wives is wrong, and having concubines is wrong, and having slaves with whom you have sex is wrong..."



There is nothing wrong with that. YOU might think its wrong but as Muslims there is nothing wrong with it. FYI your Holy Book does not condemn having concubines and slaves.



Edit: "And if having more than 4 wives is wrong"



Oh.. Muslims can only have 4 wives.. only the Prophet (saw) was allowed more then 4.
anonymous
2009-07-16 08:52:56 UTC
MARRIAGE is marriage is marriage.

PROSTITUTION on the other hand... is different.





Sorry, I have to repeat the same answer, perhapse you learn this time. Read this report and deduce the answer :











White Slavery of Christian Girls - In Israel!!



Woman's flesh for sale, woman's flesh for sale," yells a man in front of the

Hamashbir department store in downtown Jerusalem, offering up to passers-by the

young woman standing next to him.



Although trafficking in women is very much a reality in Israel, this scene was a

protest staged two weeks ago by the Jerusalem Women's Center as part of the

International Day of Protest Against Violence Against Women.



"Instead of just protesting rape and domestic violence as we do every other

year, we could not ignore the terrible issue of thousands of women being

trafficked annually into this country to be used as prostitutes," says Adi

Kunstman, coordinator of activities at the center, adding "Trafficking is modern

slavery."



Local organizations dealing with the issue, such as the Hotline for Migrant

Workers and the Awareness Center, believe that some 3,000 women are smuggled

into the country every year for the purpose of prostitution. The majority of

these women are from Moldavia, Russia and the Ukraine. They are approached in

their countries of origin - where they earn $20 to $30 a month - with the

promise of employment which will bring in a magical monthly $1,000.



According to a report issued by the International Abolitionist Federation, an

estimated one-fourth of these women are unaware that they will be working in the

sex trade, believing instead they will be employed as waitresses, cooks, au

pairs, models or masseuses. None are prepared for what they eventually

encounter. Most suffer beatings and repeated rape. The women are viewed and

bought at pimping auctions - during which they are forced to undress - at prices

ranging from $4,000 to $10,000.



According to attorney Nomi Levenkron of the Migrant Hotline, those who fetch the

lower prices end up working in the slum area around Tel Aviv's old central bus

station. Their passports are taken from them, and they are often kept locked up

in apartments with barred windows. This was the case with the four prostitutes

who were trapped and burnt to death when a religious fanatic torched a Tel Aviv

brothel in August, 2000.



http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/soc.culture.austria/msg00384.html
anonymous
2009-07-16 10:04:29 UTC
Same with christianity, if killing, rapping, polygamy, child molesting and enslaving is a wrong thing now and at the time when the jew on the stick walked on earth then why did your God allow it and ordered the Israelites to do it after the exodus.



Take a better look here, you poor child of the tortured zombie god:

https://answersrip.com/question/index?qid=20090716080119AAgaL4R
Jacob
2009-07-16 08:43:57 UTC
The perception of morality was quite different in those times, even in your bible there are inappropriateness that may have been perceptive as morally correct then but not now.



Islam is immoral only in your perception because of your hatred. And in psychology it is natural for the human being to perceive the hated as wrong even if it were truth.
Ibrahim
2009-07-16 10:02:43 UTC
Let me respond to some view in brief, Issues of Iraq and Afghanistan are politically biased completely, they know that once islam remain united; they would face lots of problems



It was not wrong, after all it was due to their stubbornness, the prophecy was there in their books (Jews and Christians) refuse to acknowledged prophet Muhammad (SAWA). As to the pagans, they were selfish and not ready to let go their status and want to continue on their way of life.



Issue of having more than four wives , concubines, etc was due to polical propaganda as explained in the islamic history, it was not immorality. Sex was more pronounce due to sentiments and act of enemies of islam so that things could be viewed that way. What about the fate of those women doing prostitution, lesbians and other evil vices in the name of freedom?



Lastly, best on analysis, the age of Aisha was not nine as at when the prophet married her. Aisha was clearly around 17-19 years old when she married the Prophet(SAWA), It was even logical enough to say she was nine when she was married the prophet of Islam, is she the only woman on earth? Is it not because of their attitude towards the prophet that God HIMSELF warned them in Quran, Allah (swt) exposed the two wives in this verse, so much so that in Surah Tahreem verse 4, He (swt) says:



"If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up".



A handful of Ahl'ul Sunnah texts confirm that Surah Tahreem descended following the planning of Ayesha and Hafsa:



Many people lost their minds due to believing into our hadith books, even in the hadith (Sahih Muslim, book 31 No 5920) the prophet (SAWA) left Quran ahd his progeny (Ahlul Bayt) but because people want to oppose things due to sentiment and too much hatred towards shia, they never mind to wrongs as long as it oppose the believe of the Shias.



The real Islam teaches morality, people should mind most of what these our hadith books said. How can we even take what was published about 400 years after the death of the prophet (SAWA) as sahih hadith books and put aside books recorded by great scholars before Bukhari and Muslim? Why do you think the prophet did not left ways and strategies on how to sort or protect hadith from being adulterated?



I think something was wrong in history just because of hatred towards shia, This is how we will continue to look confused, behave confused and even leave this world in the most confuse manner as long as we refuse to hold fast Quran and Ahlul bayt because this the prophecy of our beloved prophet Muhammad (SAWA).



If there is anything you need more light, let me know please,thank you.
TamBam
2009-07-16 08:44:07 UTC
You asked the question and I've answered it.

Truth is absolute in Islam Alhamdulillah.



The contentions that follow this have nothing to do with absolutism but are means to either upset Muslims here or distort the absolute truth.



May Allah guide you
Vegeta
2009-07-16 08:52:04 UTC
you keep asking the same questions, not looking for answers. your cognition of history is laughable.



theres women in there 50's who are benighted these day.(all take you for an example); women back then aged faster unlike today



most of your Q&A are diatribe and just your surmise, so it cannot be taken austere.
anonymous
2009-07-16 09:10:17 UTC
I asked you some questions and obviously you forgot.





still waiting for the answers...
Urrubirrik
2009-07-16 08:49:14 UTC
great question !!! ......another ABSOLUTE FACT is that .....ISLAM was ...has been and will be ...a political movement driven by ideology ...using religion just as a basis for meeting its ends.......(NAZISM was using RACE)
FTL
2009-07-16 08:43:24 UTC
In 628 C.E. Prophet Muhammad (s) granted a Charter of Privileges to the monks of St. Catherine Monastery in Mt. Sinai. It consisted of several clauses covering all aspects of human rights including such topics as the protection of Christians, freedom of worship and movement, freedom to appoint their own judges and to own and maintain their property, exemption from military service, and the right to protection in war.



An English translation of that document is presented below.



This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.



Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.



No compulsion is to be on them.



Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.



No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.



Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.



No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.



The Muslims are to fight for them.



If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.



Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.



No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).







Now let us turn to your charter of peace in your bible......





Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)





They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)





Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)





1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB





And before you tell me this is the old testament.........



Jesus (as) said in the bible:



"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."



(Matthew 5:17 NAB)



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You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20



Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10



Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16



Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7



Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13



Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20



Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11





Do you know how many times the word KILL!!!! is mentioned in the bible?
anonymous
2009-07-16 08:52:13 UTC
iight WELL LEMME JUST GO ASK ALL DEM LIL PRIESTS DAT B RAPIN LIL BOYS WAT DEY THINK....................





WTF is ya problem??? OBVIOUSLY YOURE LOST, save dis topic for someone who actually givz a fux about wat u think


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