Muslims and multicultural democrats, can you give us evidence that we’ll ever “get along" with Muslims?

Question

When, in the history of these two giant civilizations of Judao-Christian and Islamic cultures, did they ever “get along” aside from imperialistic intrigues of Christian kings/emperors and Muslim Caliphs/sheikhs for the goal of dominating the other? Isn’t 1,400 years of bloody, relentless hostility between the Judao-Christian West and Islam proof enough that there we will never “get along”?

Put aside the horrendous violence committed by Christians against Muslims over so many centuries – violence which we Westerners freely confess to.
Put aside the horrendous violence committed by Muslims against Christians and Jews – violence which Muslims NEVER confess to but rather proclaim that, “Muslims were merely defending Islam” or “Real Muslims don’t commit violence because Islam is a religion of peace!”

Simply look at the world today and ask yourselves: Is it even a remote possibility that non-Muslims and Muslims will ever “get along”?

-Google search “civil wars in the world” then research each individual civil war and you will find one common combatant in 90% of them: Muslim extremists. Muslims are involved in civil wars in China, Russia, Bosnia, Cyprus, Macedonia, Israel, Pakistan, India, Indonesia-Ambon & Halmarhera, Côte d'Ivoire, Kashmir, Kosovo, Kurdistan, Kirghizia, Nigeria, Philippines, Somalia, Turkey, Chechnya, Sudan, Yemen, Thailand, Uganda, Azerbaijan and East Timor. Muslims fight against Zoroastrians, Copts, Hindus, Jews, Christians, animists, communists, Buddhists, Sikhs, pagans – against all non-Muslim nations and cultures.
-8/09 Bosnia Muslim leader Mustafa Ceric declared Christian Serbian Muslim-majority territory boarding Montenegro as Muslim homelands. The same Muslims we saved from ethnic cleansing by bombing Christian Serbs in the 90's are now claiming more Serbian land.
-8/23/09 BBC Thailand: In a pre-dawn raid Muslims killed two Thai policemen today and fled in trucks. Muslims shoot, behead and blow up local Buddhists to force them to flee Southern Thailand in order to establish a separate Islamic state.
-8/20/10 AsiaNews, Kashmir: Extremist Muslims are demanding Sikhs convert or leave.
-8/23/10 Reuters: Since 2004 Muslim extremists have killed 4,000 Buddhists in southern Thailand, which they are claiming as Muslim homelands.
-7/5/11 Daily Mail, London: Islamic extremists have called on British Muslims to establish three independent states within the UK.
-10/4/11 AFP news, Philippines: “The government had previously warned that Umbrakato posed a serious threat to efforts aimed at ending a Muslim insurgency that has left an estimated 150,000 people dead over more than four decades.” Muslims want their own independent nation.
-1/3/12 Reuters, China: “[Muslim] Uighurs in Xinjiang rioted against Han Chinese residents in 2009 and at least 197 people were killed, according to official estimates.” Muslims want their own independent nation.
-1/29/07 Daily Telegraph UK: 40% of Muslims, ages 16 to 24, want Sharia law; 13% admire al-Qaeda; 36% believe apostates should be executed; 75% believe that women should wear veils.
-5/22/07 Reuters: 25% of young American Muslims believe in suicide bombings to fight the West.
-7/27/08 Sunday Times UK: 33% of Muslim students support killing for islam; 33% want world Islamic law.
-November 2011 MacDonald-Laurier Institute poll of Canadian Muslims: Only 39% of respondents disagree strongly with the idea of introducing a Caliphate (world Sharia law); 75% wish that Sharia law be implemented; 20,000 support Al Qaeda.
-12/3/11 APF, London: Muslim honor crimes increased 47% compared to 2009. The attacks included murder, mutilation, beatings, abduction and acid attacks.

After 1,400 years of conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims there is only one answer to my question: We will never “get along.”

Isn’t it time to acknowledge the fact that we are implacable...enemies?

Answer 1

You've got some excellent and really hard hitting facts here! I find it so funny how the muslims on here are reacting to it. None of them can give you a straight answer. They resort to childish tactics and sarcasm to avoid facing the actual facts about their vile religion. Keep spreading the message about the real Islam. A lot of the world is still asleep to the threat of islam. Seems some mulit-culturalists want us all to bow down and obey to the rule of sharia law. Makes me sick.

Answer 2

The western "moderate" muslim is not living and thinking as he should according to the Koran. Most of them have probably never read the Koran.



"And that He may punish the Hypocrites, men and women, andthe Polytheists men and women, who imagine an evil opinion of Allah. On them is a round of Evil: the Wrath of Allah is on them: He has cursed them and got Hell ready for them: and evil is it for a destination." -Quran 48:06



Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them



Sura (9:123) – O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness



As long as Islam remains there will never be peace. Even if the whole world would convert to Islam there still won't be peace for look what's happening in Syria - muslims fighting with each other!

Answer 3

Right. The crusades happened because the Moors invaded the holy land (Israel, Palestine etc.) people of the Jewish and Christian faiths were being killed/displaced by an invading force. Sects of the Islamic faith have fought against each other and pretty much, sects of every other faith known, since it's inception. Like Christianity, Islam can be traced back to Judaism. It is the same god in all three belief systems, it's just that there are disparities in the details. Brings me to a saying I've heard a few times. "the devil's in the details". I'm not religious, but what I see is different peoples killing one another for reasons that cannot be quantified. Long have I felt that the bible teaches intolerance, and each day that passes, I see the Koran teaches the same.

Answer 4

Alright you keep sulking and saying the worlds crap and ill go outside and make steps to making a better world.

Answer 5

tl;dr



"Isn’t it time to acknowledge the fact that we are implacable...enemies?"



No.



People are individuals. They get along when they get along.

Answer 6

Like I said before, Islam means submission not peace. It seeks peace by fighting until all religion is for allah. By dominating and subjugating the "people of the book" and telling other peoples to convert or die, Islam forces submission on everyone. Slavery is their idea of peace.



So..........they still want war.



You are right that they are our enemy because their belief has made it that way.



Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."



Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."



Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."



Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'



Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)





@ Munther - Oh shut up! You don't know what you are talking about! 9/11 WAS NOT the first Muslim attack on American soil and it's not the last. The Twin Towers were bombed in 1993 by stupid Muslim terrorists. 6 people were killed and like a thousand were injured. Every attack on a US embassy, many of which happened before 9/11, is considered an attack on US soil.



Here is a list of other Muslim killings in the USA before 9/11, including some "honor" killings:



http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm



Here are terrorist attacks against Americans by Muslims before 9/11 including plane hijackings, embassy killings, bombing US soldiers, etc.:



http://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/list-of-islamic-attacks-against-america/



We've forgiven and turned our cheeks way too often. MUSLIMS NEED TO STOP!



The Crusades were caused by Muslim aggression and conquering of peaceful Christians and other people. It went on for many, many centuries before Christians decided to fight back. Again, we turned the other cheek, but barbarism and evil wouldn't stop and needed to be dealt with. We are allowed to defend ourselves. Evil needs to be stopped.

Answer 7

most of these muslim extremists are backed by the cia. if you shut down the cia, ned, mosad, and mi6, then the number of muslim extremists would decline by 90%. western intelligence broke out muslim extremists, and al qaeda from a Libyan prison and had them destroy Libya. now those same terorists are trying to destroy Syria. also, i would not believe most of what is found on google because google is run by the cia, and u.s govt.

Answer 8

I've decided I like you, especially when you said that acts of violence have been committed by Christians against Muslims and committed by Muslims against Christians. I like people who aren't biased. However, the only examples you gave were of Muslims committing the violence. I'm sure that there are recent acts of violence against Muslims that are committed by Christians as well. After all, when people don't agree with each other they think violence is the answer and all they end up doing is killing themselves off (unfortunately, innocent people are involved as well).



However, I don't think they are eternal enemies...at least not on an individual basis. If you look in places that are progressive or big cities, you see many people from different backgrounds who get along with each other. I've seen many Muslim and Christian children or adults hanging out, chatting, etc. with each other just fine. So it's possible. Just that people need to quit the 'holier-than-thou' attitude and stop thinking they are the only correct ones who can judge everyone or force them to do what they do.

Answer 9

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TO AMERICANS



ok this has gone on long enough!

im gonna take my anger out!

there has only been 1 terrorist attack on American soil from Muslims!! and that was 11 years ago on 9/11/01!! never before and never after have Muslims attacked America!!



Jesus told us to forgive EVERY ONE!! FORGIVE YOU KILLER AND YOU WILL BE FORGIVEN!



"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Matthew 6:14-15) "



"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." (Matthew 5:44)"



do you guys seen wat jesus is implying? d o you want to be the godforsaken people who are known to never forgive?!

if you wish to be forgiven from god then forgive!!

im a Muslim, i read the bible like 10 times (and still have strong faith in Islam), i have been living here in America since 1995!(


btw Al-qayda just used Islam as an excuse, this killing they did is not justified in Islam, never kill some one who doesn't deserve it is what Islam teaches us. and the same is taught in christinity so dont say we're a violent religion.



Muslims forgave America millions of frigging times, all those attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, and Pakistan and the friggin crusades! do you see us observing the day the Iraq war ended?! Iraq was a peaceful beautiful country, it has one of the worlds oldest library's which contained some of the oldest scientific/non-religious/religious text's, they where all destroyed by blood thirsty American soldiers who kill and raped women and children!! these men that you guys respect, the American soldiers, eventually go mad and get deployed back to America and do robbery, rape and mass murders, end this racism and hate on Islam, Muslims not hate Christians at all, we dont consider Christians as our enemy's, we consider America to be the enemy but only when they're attacking on our land!



you guys keep telling us to live in peace but then you engage in burning the Qur'an!!!

HOW DARE YOU! we would NEVER even consider to defile a holy text!! may it be christian Jewish or friggin Hindu!! we would never burn any of them!! how would you feel if we start a bible burning day? yea i wouldn't be in it but if thats what it takes then i would do it, wouldn't that suck? word of Jesus burning? stop Qur'an burning day and all the hate to Muslims we dont hate you, you guys hate us, if you stop hating us then all the hate in the world would be over, imagine that?

Answer 10

Don't kid yourself, nobody wants to get along with you. You have no friends, waaaaaaah boohoo. :P



Edit: Oh yeah, and don't forget....Islam is a religion of peace! ;D

Answer 11

Like I said before, Islam means peace. It seeks peace with those who want/seek peace too.



So......... you still want war?